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Dual-ADC and 32-bit float tests with the Tascam FR-AV2 (with comparisons to the Sound Devices 24-bit MixPre-3 and 788T)

October 10, 2025

Introduction

Before getting into the blog post proper, I should point out that it comes with two caveats! First, I should clarify that this isn’t a full review of the Tascam FR-AV2 recorder: rather, it is a tale of dipping a toe in the water of 32-bit recording for me, exploring some of the aspects of such recorders that I have wondered about and about which I have struggled to find any authoritative analysis, let alone related to this specific recorder. It may well be that all these aspects are covered somewhere, but obscured by the smokescreen of so much (including a fair bit of nonsense) for and against dual-ADC 32-bit float field recorders. Whether I can add anything useful is another matter as, indeed, is the question as to whether anyone else is interested in the aspects of 32-bit float field recorders that have intrigued me. And, second, this post comes from the perspective of someone whose current main recorders are a pair of Sound Devices 788T recorders (one with a CL-8), along with a Sound Devices MixPre-3 for when I want lighter kit or simply don’t need the larger channel count. For a few years I also owned a Zoom F8n, but it has been a long time since I have bought, or even used, a cheaper and smaller recorder such as the FR-AV2. That said, in the increasingly distant past I have owned a Zoom H4, a Zoom H2n, a Tascam DR70D and a Sony M10: the last I valued as truly pocketable device, and was sad when it died. But I cannot claim to have had hands-on experience of the current options for, say, sub-£500 recorders, so please do bear that in mind!

Back in July 2024, when I last wrote about field recorders, I said ‘doubtless some find 32-bit float handy (e.g. for drop rigs for nature field recording, or for inexperienced recordists), but, personally, I see it as a solution to a problem I don’t have (without increasing mic input headroom – so many of these 32-bit recorders only have a 4dBu max mic input – and, also, introducing issues related to switching between ADCs)’, and to a great extent my feeling was the same a year on, before doing the tests outlined below. I’m not doing drop-rig or other unmonitored recording, and haven’t been bedeviled by recordings ruined by clipping nor, equally, suffering from self-noise arising from using excessively conservative gain. Moreover, most of the 32-bit recorders out there lack many of the features I value in my existing 24-bit recorders, with notable exceptions being the Sound Devices 8-series recorders: but I’m not in the market for one of these expensive recorders at present. So my interest in testing a 32-bit dual-ADC recorder came in a roundabout way (and, not, I hasten to add, because someone sent me a freebie: they didn’t!): with my little Sony M10 long dead, and just occasionally my MixPre-3 being not small enough for ultra-compact use, I wanted to buy a tiny recorder, which needed to have two channels of P48 (phantom power) and also to offer PIP (plug-in-power); to be able to handle mid-side recording, allowing recording of the M and S ISOs, while decoding to LR stereo for monitoring; to have no built-in mics; and to have decent-sounding preamps with low self-noise. Of the available options, the Tascam FR-AV2 seemed the best, if not only, candidate, and the required functions were certainly evident, although ‘decent-sounding’ preamps were not guaranteed (I have found no clear test), but there was reason to be optimistic: unless marketing hyperbole, the unit – with its ‘Ultra HDDA’ preamps – appears to have the same preamps as the excellent sounding but now discontinued HS-P82 recorder (it is unclear whether all Tascam’s ‘Ultra HDDA’ preamps are identical, but evidently there is at least some common ground). Its relatively cheap price (I paid £318 from CVP) was a bonus, although, of course, the flip-side of this is plastic construction and, perhaps, the absence of a few useful hardware features. While its 32-bit float dual-ADC design was rather incidental to my criteria for a tiny recorder, it, nonetheless, provided a good opportunity to explore such technology, so I think it would be fair to say that this was very much an extra reason to buy the recorder. And, of course, it is that aspect of the design that is the main subject of this post.

The Tascam FR-AV2 along with the Sound Devices 788T and MixPre-3 recorders used for comparative testing: the FR-AV2 is usefully smaller than the fairly dinky little MixPre-3.

Overall impression

As I said, this isn’t a full review of the FR-AV2 and certainly not a re-hash of its specs, but a few observations might be relevant to those considering buying the device.

Physically, the plastic form gives it a budget feel (slightly toy-like, if you want to be harsh), but that very much comes with the territory at this price point. And, in case anyone is wondering why aluminium would be used beyond aesthetics and affectation (that premium feel!), decent preamps kick out heat and aluminium cases are often essential parts of heat management (my Sound Devices recorders get warm, as designed). A few slightly odd design features stand out immediately: the ‘premium’ (as Tascam names the non-Neutrik) XLR sockets have catches that are rather proud (liable to catch when stuffed in a pocket?); there’s a 1/4″ thread on the bottom, but why not 3/8″, which would have relevance to field-recording (described as an intended application of the FR-AV2), but which would also allow an inserted adapter for 1/4″ for the camera fraternity if preferred?; the battery door is one of those awful push-down-and-try-and-slide-off jobs, that is resistant to moving and will be a grim feature for someone lacking good grip or in some difficult field location (and you can’t, to mitigate this, charge the batteries while in the recorder); and, above all, the buttons have no back lights. Given the lack of a touchscreen (no big deal to me, though I like those of the MixPre recorders) the last seems decidedly odd: in low light, or with a half glance, it’s far from doddle to find the right button. Even some dimples on the ‘home’ button would help locate fingers.

Turning on the recorder, the screen is nice and clear, although the menu doesn’t seem quite as good as it could be (but there the recorder is in good company at any price point!) and there are some unexplained and annoying quirks. For example, why can’t the user have pre-roll (‘pre rec’) without having to have the pause option too? The immediate and unsatisfactory answer is that the latter also puts the recorder into standby mode, without which there is no pre-record, but the other recorders I use do not require a standby mode to have been pre-pressed (and for five seconds to have elapsed first): what on earth was Tascam thinking? More worryingly, the screen looks almost identical in recording and recording standby mode (surely the top part of the screen could be, say, orange for standby then red only when actually recording, rather than red in both instances?), although a flashing red LED indicates paused or standby mode vs the solid red LED of actual recording. It all seems a little prone to encouraging the classic error of thinking you are recording when you are not, which seems especially ironic given that a major part of the selling point of 32-bit recorders is easier use: reducing chances of cock-ups should be part of that.

Scope for confusion? The two rather similar screens for standby (top) and recording (bottom).

The FR-AV2 has a distinct advantage over the Zoom F3 (its most obvious competition) in that it has provision for MS recording. On the one side the implementation is needlessly clunky (why not have adjacent menu options for ‘stereo link LR’ and ‘stereo link MS’?), but, more positively, it is possible set gain for the two channels separately. While gain is to some degree irrelevant (see below), this difference carries through to your DAW, and gives precision when monitoring (more so than the ‘wide’ function, which is similar to the MS width option on a MixPre recorder). You can even ‘gang’ the inputs and change the overall gain whilst keeping the difference between the two channels intact. This means you can compensate in the field for the very normal situation of different sensitivities for your mid and side mics, though, evidently, you need to know those sensitivities and not confuse yourself by continuing to use these different gains when swapping to a pair of mics for LR stereo.

Plug-in-power (PIP) is another feature absent in the Zoom F3, but found in the FR-AV2 and, as I said in the intro, something I want in such a small recorder: a pair of PIP omni mics (such as any of the Primo EM272-based mics: e.g. the Clippies from Micbooster) makes for a very compact rig for when travelling with the most minimal sound equipment. And, it is good to see that the FR-AV2 offers a choice of 2.5V and 5V: many of these mics benefit from something less anaemic than the common 2.5-3.0V.

Moving on to outputs, the FR-AV2 has a fairly modest headphone amp, delivering 50 mW + 50 mW into 32 Ω, which is less than the hardly stellar Zoom F8n I used to own (100 mW + 100 mW) into 32 Ω, and is well short of the 300 mW + 300 mW of the MixPre-3, but proves usable with my HD-25s (70 Ω) and, if needed, you can always crank up the recording level (without fear of clipping the actual recording) near to the peak output level for monitoring.

Turning to getting your recordings off the FR-AV2, the USB connection seems poorly implemented: just shifting a stereo file to your computer takes an age, which is surprising in such a new device. In the comparative samples I have moved from recorder to PC while testing, USB data transfer rates have been around four times slower than my MixPre-3 (2017 technology) and seven times slower than my 788T (2008 technology)! This seems bizarre. But at least it’s only a two-channel recorder!

So a mixed bag: a far from ideal recorder, with some of the obvious hardware improvements being cost-neutral to have implemented, some (such as the backlit buttons) that would have been worth a modest price increase. The software-related issues, of course, are open to being fixed in a future firmware release, but I have no idea whether Tascam will be responsive (I have provided feedback and so far the response has been about as far from Sound Devices as possible!). I am uncertain whether the competition at this price point is better or worse in terms of hardware design and software implementation: doubtless there are YouTube reviews, blogs and forums full of comparisons between the FR-AV2, the Zoom F3 and other obvious competitors that cover this, and, indeed, discuss aspects I haven’t touched on here (e.g. the FR-AV2’s implementation of timecode and Bluetooth). And perhaps some of the quirks that have surprised me will be seen more positively by others: I could well be missing something!

Right, let’s get on with the 32-bit float recording side of things…

A mechanical stopwatch and a Nevaton MC59/C: tools for checking self-noise at different recording levels!

Recording level

Funnily enough, when doing a bit of background reading on the FR-AV2 I noticed some confusion about the recording level options, so, given that the manual sheds no light at all on this (a little surprising!), it is probably worth being crystal clear here. The setting of recording levels in 32-bit float mode (at least) does not bake in any analogue trim/gain: it is to help set levels for monitoring and outputs, to allow compensation to be made in the field for different mic sensitivities in the two channels (most obviously for MS recording), and to set the levels at some more immediately useful level for when you bring the recordings into your DAW. To double-check this I recorded a mechanical stopwatch in the quietest location I could manage (in an impromptu enclosure, under a pile of duvets, in the quietest room of the house, and with the electricity turned off!) and using an extremely low self-noise mic (Nevaton MC59/C: an apposite choice given that Dmitry and Egor at Nevaton suggested the mechanical stopwatch approach for mic tests) at recording levels of 0dB,+ 20dB, +40dB and +60dB, then brought the files into Reaper, adding/subtracting gain there so that the overall gains from the recorder plus in post were matched: all four adjusted recordings sounded identical, with no difference in self-noise. Voila: as expected!

On a related note, the peak level indicators (a red LED for each channel), which the manual describes as lighting up ‘when the input level exceeds the peak level’ are dependent on the recording level setting, so their function isn’t as indicators of mic input overload, but as indicators of overload of the outputs: i.e. to the headphones and if running a line out to camera. The indicator for overloading the analogue inputs of the recorder is, rather, the fact that the level indicator meter for the input channel will turn entirely red, as opposed to its normal green: if not red, peaks will be recoverable in post irrespective of the recording level settings and any indicated output level overloads. And, just to double check, I tested this too. Again, voila: as expected!

Input overload indication on the FR-AV2 shown by the red level meter, here just overloading for mic channel 1.

Self-noise

Following on from recording levels, and the consistency in self-noise irrespective of the setting, what then of absolute self-noise? Given that level setting of the FR-AV2 lacks the clarity of a more conventional recorder with trim/gain, I repeated the mechanical stopwatch test, using a Rode NT1 mic (for its very low [4dBA] self-noise), and compared it to a MixPre-3 (first generation: i.e. 24-bit) and a 788T using a passive three-way splitter. I set the FR-AV2 recording level at +40dB, although, as we have seen, this will make no difference to the self-noise, and then recorded parallel clips with the MixPre-3 and 788T at 76dB gain (i.e. the maximum gain on both) and then 56dB, 36dB, 16dB and 6dB gain (the last being the minimum gain possible on the MixPre-3). In Reaper I then raised the level of the FR-AV2 clips to match the 76dB-gained MixPre-3 and 788T clips, and then raised the remaining progressively quieter MixPre-3 and 788T clips to match (i.e. in turn adding 20dB, 40dB, 60dB and 70dB of gain in post). The results of the tests can be heard (and downloaded) below (and if you want to cut to the chase, just listen to the FR-AV2 and MixPre-3 clips in test 5!): and don’t forget, these are massive gain levels applied to three extremely quiet recorders and a mic that is as quiet as they go.

First: the two 24-bit recorders at max input gain (76dB) and the FR-AV2 with its level raised in post to match:

Second: the two 24-bit recorders at input gain of 56dB with 20dB gain added in post, and the FR-AV2 with its level raised in post to match:

Third: the two 24-bit recorders at input gain of 36dB with 40dB gain added in post, and the FR-AV2 with its level raised in post to match:

Fourth: the two 24-bit recorders at input gain of 16dB with 60dB gain added in post, and the FR-AV2 with its level raised in post to match:

And, finally, fifth: the two 24-bit recorders at input gain of 6dB with 70dB gain added in post, and the FR-AV2 with its level raised in post to match:

Sorry about the slog for anyone who actually went through the clips and compared them!

There are three aspects of these self-noise comparison tests that merit comment:

• First, the three recorders have indistinguishably similar self-noise when the two 24-bit recorders were gained to suit the quiet sound source, which is not surprising from the specs: equivalent input noise (EIN) of the FR-AV2 is –127 dBu, while that of the MixPre-3 is -128dBu and the (oddly unspecified) 788T is apparently -128dBu too.

• Second, the self-noise of the FR-AV2 means that it is very effective for recording quiet sounds (OK, this is obvious from the specs, but it is perhaps useful – given the confusion that surrounds dual-ADC 32-bit float recorders – to be reassured that this applies to the quietest signals).

• Third, and I suspect this may well be a big surprise for some, the 24-bit MixPre-3 recordings showed no more evident self-noise if recorded with 76dB (the maximum) gain or extremely low 6dB gain (i.e. its minimum mic input setting) with 70dB gain then added in post. The 788T recordings behaved similarly (i.e. no more self-noise) until gain on the recorder was dropped to 16dB (so the point where self-noise increases is somewhere a little above this) and at 6dB (with 70dB added in post) the recorder was noticeably hissier. Obviously, a mic with more self-noise would mask this and bring the effective constant self-noise lower, nearer to the MixPre-3.

The third point reinforces the lack of need to record at very hot levels with a 24-bit field recorder with decent preamps and, a point often missed, the 24-bit MixPre first generation recorders have no additional self-noise across the whole trim/gain range from 6dB to 76dB (they have a quite different preamp and ADC design to the 7-series recorders, with two op amps per channel feeding into two ADC channels per mic input, which are then combined in the ADC: here is an informed tear-down of a first generation MixPre-6).

Clipping

This leads neatly onto the subject of clipping. Now this was something about which I had no prior doubt: despite the much-touted no clipping side of dual-ADC 32-bit float recorders, this cannot compensate for overloading the mic input. Like many budget recorders, the Tascam FR-AV2 has a fairly modest +4dBu maximum input level for microphone input, when the gain is at minimum. This isn’t unusual, and can be found outside the small handheld recorders with which, perhaps, the FR-AV2 is most likely to compete: it is, for example, the same as the Zoom F8n Pro. The last is odd, since the preceding (24-bit) Zoom F8n (which I used to own) had a significantly higher maximum input level of +14 dBu, as does my MixPre-3 (first generation): the second generation MixPre-recorders (i.e. with 32-bit float and dual ADCs) also have a maximum input level of +14 dBu. Turning to my older 788Ts, these offer mic inputs with +8 dBu maximum (but, note, when gain = 10 dB, yet trim/gain for mic inputs can be reduced to 0.1dB); and, for line inputs +26 dB maximum (gain = 0 dB): the last might seem irrelevant to mics, but, crucially, the 788T can supply 48v phantom power when in line-input mode. The current 8-series recorders from Sound Devices have almost exactly the same input specs as the 7-series (though slightly more line-level headroom at +28dBu) and also allow P48 in line-input mode. Looking at another example of a current professional recorder, the Sonosax SX-R4 has a + 21dB max mic input level. So, if on the deck of an aircraft-carrier recording jets landing, any of the Sound Devices or the Sonosax (and other similar professional) models will see you home sans clipping (as long as your mics can handle the SPL) while the Tascam FR-AV2 is likely to struggle. The higher maximum input levels of my other recorders has certainly been put to good use a few times by me (e.g. when close-miking loud bands with condensers) and are there for good reason, not for some only theoretical need. And turning to my own tests for this post, using a sensitive mic (an MKH 8060 shotgun), I found a simple hand clap enough to get the Tascam FR-AV2 to overload the inputs, while the 788T had no trouble at all.

Input clipping on the FR-AV2 (top) vs unclipped signal on the Sound Devices 788T (bottom): dual ADCs and 32-bit float won’t always save you if your input stage can be overloaded (or, indeed, if you exceed the max SPL of your mic).

Now the MKH 8060 is capable of outputting a maximum of around +12dBu, which is by no means unique, so, as with all such common +4dBu inputs on more modest recorders, you just need to bear this in mind and remember that the 32-bit float format doesn’t solve the hardware limitations of the FR-AV2 and its ilk. If recording extremely high SPLs with sensitive mics with no built in pads, then make certain to pack a couple of, say, 20dB in-line attenuators (make certain they have P48 pass-through). Likewise, the user needs to be beware of mics with modest maximum SPLs causing clipping earlier in the chain. But, for most use by most users, the Tascam FR-AV2 should be fairly clip proof, and is certainly less likely to result in clipping in most common usage than a poorly or non-monitored 24-bit recorder, a 24-bit recorder set with too high an input gain (possibly, as we have seen, out of an irrational fear of getting too low a recording and burying signal in preamp self-noise), or when recording an unexpectedly wide dynamic range. So, yes, of course, in many cases the Tascam FR-AV2, or similar, will help recordists avoid clipping.

NB If you don’t have an expensive 24-bit recorder aimed at production sound professionals, or a more modest 32-bit device such as the FR-AV2, the tried and tested alternative of dual-recording (where, say, a stereo pair is recorded at two different gains to two pairs of channels) is found on many a 24-bit recorder, including the modest but great value Tascam DR-70D.

Recording extreme dynamic ranges

Taking these thoughts and tests on self-noise and clipping forward, the oft-cited benefit of dual-ADC 32-bit float recorders is their performance in situations where there is unpredictable and extreme dynamic range. Recording both gentle rain and thunder claps is one example often given. Weather is a fickle thing and we don’t have much in the way of thunder storms in Norfolk anyway, so for a more mundane, but equally telling, test I headed outside and went for the combination of a coin spinning, a burst from a hammer drill (drilling into concrete) 300mm from the mic (this time an MKH 8020 omni SDC mic, with still very respectable 10dBA self-noise), and also the quiet background noise of a few birds tweeting and the distant rumble of a military jet: this presents a huge dynamic range . For the tests, I compared the FR-AV2 (set with ‘rec level’ at 0) with the MixPre-3 (gain at the minimum of 6dB) and the 788T (gain set at 20dB, so that the level indicators were at the top of the orange band and just shy of the red for the drill sound: i.e. how many might record the drill, but not the quiet sounds). In none of the three cases was the signal loud enough to overwhelm the mic input stage: the aim was to give the FR-AV2 a fair test and not simply reveal the limitation of its analogue mic inputs again. With 6dB gain on the MixPre-3, this was recording very conservatively for the drill sound, let alone the quiet background and coin spinning, so headroom for any louder still sound was considerable (as it turned out, a substantial 21dB) and well short of limiter territory. Here are the three recordings, unedited apart from the levels of the FR-AV2 and MixPre-3 recordings raised a little to match the 788T recording (by use of a 1kHz tone, which is included in the clips, with a narrow band-pass filter applied):

As expected, the overall recordings sound pretty much identical, but, of course, with extreme dynamic range (and think back to the thunder and soft rain example), the recordist will often want to edit the recording so that the loud and the quiet parts are both audible – in short raising the quiet part. You can download and play with the files and try this yourself, of course, but, as a more immediate alternative, here are some short excerpts from these recordings to show the consequences of doing this on the quiet sounds, first of the coin, with the level of each recording raised in post by another 30dB from the full-length recordings above:

And here are some short excerpts of the distant and faint bird (and jet plane) sounds from the full-length recordings above, this time with the matched levels raised by a whopping 50dB in post:

To my ears the recordings sound largely identical, and, certainly, there is nothing different in terms of self-noise. Even the previously observed slight rise in self-noise of the 788T at very low gains and with a low self-noise mic (i.e. at 16dB gain with the 4dBA Rode NT1) is no longer evident with the recorder at 20dB gain and with the MKH 8020 (10dBA) mic. Food for thought for some perhaps? Slightly ironically, this serves as a reminder that conservative gain settings on a 24-bit recorder (plus, of course, decent limiters though they were not used in this test) may well cover the issues of the unexpectedly loud sound (and consequent fear of clipping) that have led many to buy a dual-ADC 32-bit recorder!

From gentle birds tweeting (and a bit of background traffic on the distant coast road) to the massive sound of a WD 2-10-0 loco (‘The Royal Norfolk Regiment’) passing inches from my mics represented a pretty good example of extreme sound level change: but – and here’s the cautionary tale – you don’t gain anything from dual-ADCs with 32-bit float vs the first generation MixPre-3 (i.e. 24-bit) even for such an extreme recording..

And for another example, I popped along to nearby Kelling Heath Halt on the North Norfolk Railway, for a bit of field recording with a huge range in sound levels. Here, the little halt station (a request stop) is not used by trains on the upward incline from Weybourne, so is a good place to be able to place mics right by the wheels (and cylinders) as the locomotives come past working very hard. And I was especially in luck this time, as the steam loco that passed was one of the largest on the line. The recording was made using a Sennheiser MKH 8018 stereo shotgun into the FR-AV2 and, again, the MixPre-3 set at its minimum gain of 6dB. Here are the two recordings with 15dB gain added in post to the MixPre-3 recording and the FR-AV2 leveled to match (and, also, the fig 8 side channel of the MKH 8018 was also given an additional 7dB gain in post to match its sensitivity to the mid mic capsule):

As before, you can download the wav files to play with them yourself, but, again, to make things easier here are two very short excerpts from the quietest parts, with much more gain added in post: another 65dB gain was added in post, giving a total of 80dB gain to the MixPre-3 field recording (plus, of course, that additional 7dB for the less sensitive fig 8 side capsule).

Again, there is significant difference between the dual-ADC 32-bit float FR-AV2 and the 24-bit MixPre-3 recordings, and no difference in self-noise even when the low level MixPre-3 recording is pushed to extreme measures in post. The MKH 8018 is a very high output mic (56mV/Pa; -25 dB ref (1V/Pa)), and yet the MixPre-3 recording had 19.4dB of headroom above the peak level for that channel (and much more for the fig 8) and, of course, came nowhere near needing its effective limiters. In normal use I would not have set the MixPre-3 gain quite as low as for this demonstration, mainly to aid monitoring. Given the ability of the MixPre-3 to recover extremely low-level signals (without any self-noise penalty) just as well as the FR-AV2 (and, obviously, similar 32-bit float recorders with very low EIN), and its greater ability to handle high input levels, it is difficult to imagine a scenario where extreme variation in sound levels and the wish to raise quiet sections whilst editing means that the FR-AV2 and similar recorders offer any performance advantage.

NB Don’t be mistaken: I am not advocating that, if you have a first generation MixPre recorder that you should leave it permanently with the gain at 6dB: for quiet sounds you will struggle to monitor (through headphones and on the meters), will have low output levels, and will find the waveforms nigh on invisible when you take the files into your DAW. And if you pass files on to someone else for post you will be decidedly unpopular.

Switching ADCs

There are blogs, videos and forums that have demonstrated, illustrated and discussed the issue of switching ADCs in dual-ADC 32-bit recorders (and, indeed, dual-ADC 24-bit recorders such as the Sony D100 that also use switching). By issues, I mean the effects of the on-the-fly switching of the source of the recorded signal from the low-gain ADC (i.e. that for high-level audio) to the high-gain ADC (i.e. that for low-level audio) and vice versa. The main problem, insofar as it is a problem at all, appears to be the jump in self-noise when the switch is made between the ADCs: at face value, this seems unlikely to be an issue if the change in self-noise is masked by the signal. The key then would seem to be if switching ADCs can be heard on the fading tails of sounds. Of course, there may be more to the different ADC performance than self-noise (distortion, for example), and, with this in mind, I have wondered about any implications for different ADCs being used for different channels (both for L and R stereo and especially, M and S pairs) due to significantly differently levels. I have yet to find anything crystal clear on this (apart from a few seemingly well-informed comments). Being nothing of an electronics engineer, I am poorly equipped to understand, analyse and communicate exactly what is going on with switching dual-ADC designs, but that puts me in the same boat as most who choose between single-ADC 24-bit recorders and dual-ADC recorders (be they 24-bit or 32-bit). So, for me there are two practical tests I can do with the FR-AV2: first, see if the switching of ADCs is observable; and, second, and more importantly, see if the switching can be heard.

Spectrograms left to right: Sound Devices 788T, Tascam FR-AV2, and Sound Devices MixPre-3. The ADC switching in the FR-AV2 at the louder signals is quite clear to to see. The 96kHz sample rate means that the vertical scale is up to 48kHz.

Well the observable part is easy in the sense of visual indication on a spectrogram, as shown above: in this example (using the FR-AV2, MixPre-3 and 788T, with levels matched by a 1kHz tone) some gentle taps on the mic body (MKH 8060) to cause high-level low-frequency peaks are accompanied by a jump in self-noise in the FR-AV2, which I crudely measured at about 10-20dB, but only distinguishable from around 24kHz. But as the sound level drops, so quickly does the ultrasonic self-noise, as the recorder switches ADC. Here are the sound files from which the above was derived:

I’ve played around with this and other tests, dropping the pitch a couple of octaves (relevant to some sound design) doesn’t lead to any obviously audible switching-related increase in noise or other artefacts. As I said, I have no claim to have any expertise in this, but my conclusion – from a sound recordist’s perspective – is that the FR-AV2’s implementation of switching between its dual ADCs has no audible effect: but if someone can show differently that would be interesting!

Conclusions

Well first off I should say that I am happy with the Tascam FR-AV2: I bought it for its tiny size and other key features described in the introduction. With its dual-ADC and 32-bit float design it delivers low-self noise across what, in normal terms, would be described as any gain level. This is very different than was the case with the 24-bit cheaper handheld recorders I have owned in the past. I think that this is the crucial point: prospective purchasers of this and similar recorders (say the Zoom F3) are going to be comparing them to budget 24-bit recorders.

But when compared to my (first generation) MixPre-3, the FR-AV2 offers no practical advantage in high dynamic range recordings: it offers no better ability to bring up the quiet sounds in post, while handling extreme loud sounds at the same time and, as we have seen, has less capability of handling extremely high mic input levels. The last may not be an issue for many, or even most, users, so perhaps we could say that for most the two recorders are equal in this regard and that all the FR-AV2 does is solve the ‘issue’ of the MixPre-3/6/10 user who is inexplicably afraid of setting trim/gain at very conservative levels for such use! Now, of course, not all non-budget 24-bit recorders exhibit such consistent self-noise and dynamic range across the whole trim/gain range (as we have seen here with the older 788T: although in practical use – as in the recordings of the hammer drill etc. and the steam train – this is hardly significant), so that means you need to know exactly how your recorder performs (and not just with a 150k resistor shorting the inputs, but with mics that you will use: their self-noise will come into the equation).

As for the switching ADC issue, I am relieved to find that this seems much less of a concern than the on-line discussions and demonstrations might suggest: that might reflect my ears, my use and, indeed, that the FR-AV2 is a more recent dual-ADC and 32-bit float design. So, yes, through testing the FR-AV2 I have modified my view from July 2024, when I wrote about field recorders and said ‘doubtless some find 32-bit float handy (e.g. for drop rigs for nature field recording, or for inexperienced recordists), but, personally, I see it as a solution to a problem I don’t have (without increasing mic input headroom – so many of these 32-bit recorders only have a 4dBu max mic input – and, also, introducing issues related to switching between ADCs)’: certainly with regard to the FR-AV2, I don’t have the ADC switching concern, though perhaps am just left with a niggling, lingering feeling – however irrational perhaps – that something isn’t quite right and that, for a critical – say music – recording, I would stick to a non-switching dual-ADC recorder. This is rather theoretical anyway for me personally, as given the channel count of the FR-AV2, its less than ideal ergonomics and its lack of so many other features, I would be highly unlikely to use it for an acoustic music recording. That said, I will try and remember to take a split of the main pair on some future music recordings to really give those ‘Ultra HDDA’ preamps a good check: so far, I think they sound fine. And, in the meantime, although the dual-ADC and 32-bit float aspect of the recorder remains a solution to a problem I don’t have, I would have no hesitation in using the FR-AV2 for sound effects or field recording should I need something smaller than my MixPre-3. The FR-AV2 has met my specific needs, but, of course, may well have a much wider application for many and, for them, offer significant advantages over existing or alternative options.

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A Few Thoughts on Field Recorders

July 15, 2024
Top to bottom: Sound Devices MixPre-3, Zoom F8n and Sound Devices 788T.

Introduction

As a bit of a change from microphones and windshields, I thought there might be a little value in some ramblings on the three recorders I use currently: not so much a review or test of any of them – none of them are new or even current products – but, rather, covering what I see as their different good (and bad) points and their uses to me. That is, for a mix of location music recording (mostly acoustic), sound effects, ambiences, and some dialogue recording for films (for YouTube). With luck this might be of interest to one or two others pondering these recorders or, indeed, their updated versions (for which many of the points remain pertinent): and on the latter, I’ll also cover why I haven’t yet found compelling reasons to buy the updated versions.

Perhaps first I should talk about sound quality. Much has been said and written about the different preamps (and, though less often discussed, ADCs) in the Sound Devices 788T vs the MixPre-series vs the Zoom F8/F8n/F8n Pro, mostly, but not always, placing them in that pecking order from top to bottom. Doubtless there is prejudice involved in some cases, but I am not going to quibble with highly experienced sound engineers with more finely-tuned hearing or, at least, listening skills: indeed, I would agree with them that the 788T has the edge, with little to choose between the MixPre-3 and the Zoom F8n. There are – I would hope – a lot of comparative recordings out there, but just to add to them, for a bit of fun I took the three recorders out with me this morning when taking advantage of a dry and fairly windless day (all too rare this summer in England) to have another go at a passing steam train recording for the current sound library project. It wasn’t a perfect recording (aeroplane noise yet again preventing a long intro from the train a mile or so off), but it will do for our purposes. The mics used were an MS pair (Sennheiser MKH 8040 and MKH 8030).

Set for recording a passing train with the three recorders: yes, I know a passive splitter may not be ideal, but there is no perfect way for such comparisons. The MixPre-3 was on the parallel (straight through) outputs of the Palmer PMS-02, and the F8n and the 788T were on the two transformer-isolated pairs of outputs.
Here’s what came past, working hard up the incline as it entered the cutting.

Make what you will of this field-recording example (and if really keen, download and do a randomized comparison, preferably listening to very short sections on repeat: I found the sections with the carriages passing, after the loudness of the loco, most revealing), what is indisputable is that there are differences, but they are subtle (for many) and for much use pale into insignificance compared to mic choices and mic placement.

A tiny three-channel (OK, now five-channel) recorder: the Sound Devices MixPre-3

The MixPre-3 was introduced back in spring 2017, along with its larger siblings – the MixPre-6 and the Mixpre-10. In 2018 the MixPre-3M, MixPre-6M and MixPre-10M were introduced: these were different versions of the recorders designed for music recording only, with such features as overdubbing, track laying, punch in/out, bounce, reverb and metronome. All these features were then made available to the original MixPre-series recorders via purchase of a plugin. In 2019 the MixPre-series ii recorders replaced the original models, with the main changes being the addition of 32-bit float recording to the series, internal timecode generation added to the smaller recorders (the MixPre-10T had it from the outset), and the addition of 192kHz recording to the MixPre-3 (its larger siblings already had it in the first series). The M series disappeared, with the Musician plugin continuing to be available as it is today.

I got my order in early and received my MixPre-3 in May 2017, so went through all the flurry of firmware updates that followed initial launch (indeed, reported on some required bug fixes and requested additional capabilities): the most useful refinement to firmware was, perhaps, in relation to mid-side recording, where decoding could be applied to the MS signal going to the LR mix only. Seven years on, I remain impressed by the recorder: aside from excellent sound quality and flexible set up, the key values for me are its diminutive size (less evident with its larger siblings), three P48 channels (so much handier than just two: think double mid- side, a stereo pair plus shotgun etc.), which can now (since 2023 with the +2 plugin) be used at the same time as its USB or aux inputs (think lav mics) to give five channels, and very straightforward operation. If the channel count has me covered, then this is the recorder I will take into the field when needing to travel light and compact for nature, ambience, effects and simple music recording. And with the unique (for a field recorder) ability of the MixPre-series to do overdubbing (recording up to 12 tracks: yes, even on the little MixPre-3 model), then this is the only recorder I have that will allow building up of a song on location sans laptop, musician by musician (think Playing for Change). By way of an example, back in the summer of 2018 I put the MixPre-3 with the new plugin to early use:

So why didn’t I replace the MixPre-3 with the later version, or, indeed, a larger version? Well, the latter is easy to answer: a larger version would lose the size advantage. That isn’t just the recorder, but also its power supply: the MixPre-3 can run three P48 mics for around 2.5hrs on rechargeable Eneloop Pro AAs, so, for my purposes, there’s no need for clunky external batteries (the battery sled allows changeover to spare sets of AAs in seconds). And the MixPre-3ii hasn’t attracted me by its virtue of its timecode generator (not something I use) or 32-bit float recording: even recording sound effects (such as the steam train recordings above) doesn’t give me level setting issues. Doubtless some find 32-bit float handy (e.g. for drop rigs for nature field recording, or for inexperienced recordists), but, personally, I see it as a solution to a problem I don’t have (without increasing mic input headroom – so many of these 32-bit recorders only have a 4dBu max mic input – and, also, introducing issues related to switching between ADCs). To each their own. Now there are some aspects of the MixPre-3 that I wouldn’t mind seeing improved: on the hardware design side, surely the three XLR inputs could have been moved to the one side, in so doing improving the position and form of the fiddly on-off switch; and on the software side, it would be useful if the gain/trim could be adjusted more finely than whole dBs, if the front knobs could be used for the 76dB of input gain/trim rather than as faders (or, in basic/custom mode, as combined gain/trim and faders), and if individual MS channels could have gain/trim adjusted despite being linked to allow for different sensitivity of mics. Minor quibbles, all of these.

Eight-channel recording: the Zoom F8n and the Sound Devices 788T

For larger counts than three P48 channels I used to use a mixing desk with ISO outputs to a laptop, but I really don’t like being dependent on a PC when tracking and, of course, this doesn’t lend itself so well to field recording. Looking for a field recorder with more channels, and having prior experience of the MixPre-3, means that the MixPre-10 was a serious contender. But a combination of factors – not least the massive jump in prices of these in the UK – made me consider the alternative of the Zoom F8n. By then (autumn 2022) the 32-bit Zoom F8n Pro had just been launched, so prices were very keen for the older model and, evidently, I wasn’t bothered by the 32-bit update. The form is more conventional, perhaps, than the MixPre-series, which is good for bag use (no trim/gain knob on the side), and the user interface and menus are all straightforward: the knobs and buttons are very small, but so are my hands, with the fiddliest being the on-off button again. I was pleasantly surprised by the sound quality, and don’t feel I am dropping down in that regard in any significant manner when upping the channel count has seen me use the F8n instead of the MixPre-3. An increase in channels has meant that rechargeable AAs are no longer feasible (and the eight of them are clunky to change compared to the four in the MixPre-3), so they are just there for back up: I power the recorder via its hirose socket with a L-mount battery (and Smallrig 3018 battery adapter plate). The two-card recording is a step up from the MixPre-3, providing redundancy, and the physical build quality is OK: excellent top and bottom aluminium plates, not quite matched by the front panel – a slight wobbliness to the fader knobs just doesn’t give reassurance of longevity. But solid enough for bag use. There are some great functions built in (e.g. holding down two channel buttons to link and unlink mic pairs), but I was disappointed that choosing the trim mode for the front knobs means that you lose use of a decent screen showing metering of individual tracks: so I am stuck with using those knobs as faders (when not really concerned about the LR mix). Amongst other limitations are the lack of word clock as, more latterly, I would like to be able to link recorders for higher channel counts (there is a lot disinformation out there, but, after pursuing this thoroughly, not least with Zoom, the F8/F8n/F8n Pro lacks the ability to provide the clocking for a slave unit and get sample-accurate sync); a lack of routing options, which include the inability to decode an MS linked pair to the LR mix whilst recording the M and S to the ISO tracks, and, of course, a lack of outputs; and some operational details such as back-lit buttons (you try operating the Zoom F8n in near darkness and see what I mean!). Additionally, the limiters aren’t perfect (they noticeably inject hiss).

A side on view of the three recorders: take away the XLR inputs on the two top recorders, and the gulf between them and the 788T becomes more obvious.

The subsequent F8n Pro addresses the limiter issue, but finding a recorder that doesn’t have the other limitations is not easy: other than the MixPre-10Tii (around £2000), which has word clock but doesn’t fix most of the other shortcomings, the current field recorder options are a huge step up in terms of cost: e.g. the Sound Devices 888 (8 channels of P48 preamps) at £9600, the Sound Devices Scorpio (16 channels of P48 preamps) at £12000, or the Sonosax SX-R4+ with the AD8+ preamp (giving 12 channels of P48 preamps) at £10000. And, also, these machines offer functionality beyond my modest needs, such as Dante. While happy with my MixPre-3, I remained unconvinced by the MixPre-10Tii and found myself increasingly hankering after the Sound Devices 788T. Introduced in 2008 (and discontinued in 2019), this was the precursor to the current 888, and retailed for around £7,300 (updated for inflation). The 788T features word clock, AES inputs, as much flexibility in routing as you could imagine, more outputs than the F8n, trim/gain control knobs, dual recording (triple if you like Firewire today!), illuminated buttons etc. and is built like a tank. After looking at the market for some time, I snaffled a beautifully cared for example from an LA sound mixer for about £1400 (inc. VAT and delivery), so that my most recently added recorder is also the oldest. Soundwise there is, as I said at the start of this post, not a lot in it: but at least I know I’m not shooting myself in the foot or under-serving the mics that I have. Functionality wise, there were a few great surprises I somehow missed: the fast headphone routing selection, line-inputs that can provide 48v phantom power (so useful when levels get really high with sensitive mics, taking the already healthy mic max input from +8dBu to +26dBu) and, not least of all, the fact that the main screen turns red when recording (and green when playing back: these options can be deselected if wanted) – an elegant way of reducing the cock-up factor. There’s an element of the 788T that appeals because of its amazing yet slightly old-school engineering (the sort of thing that means I might be tempted to buy a Nagra IV-S at a weak moment, if – unlikely – having surplus cash sloshing around!), but at the same time it stands up to the more modern MixPre-series and Zoom F8n/F8n Pro and has professional features and build-quality that are well above them. OK there’s a risk of failure with older electronic gear, but they remain repairable, and I’m not earning a crust recording production sound for Hollywood films.

The three recorders in record mode: you’ve just got to love that the 788T LCD screen turns red (and green for playback), and it alone has back-lit buttons to aid control in the dark. Add in the wonderful old-school Sound Devices LED level meters and the coloured-rings round the trim controls (something that the MixPre-series recorders use too), and you’ve got a lot of visual feedback on recording status and levels.

Conclusions

So where does this leave me? Above all, reassured that none of my recorders lack much in terms of sound quality: the 788T has a fantastic reputation in this regard and even I can hear this difference, and the other two are close enough for most purposes. And for use, well that’s the MixPre-3 for field recording with minimalist kit, such as for sound effects, or for anything that requires overdubbing; the 788T for music recording where I need a larger channel count; and the F8n where I need a larger channel count in the field, yet want a lighter recorder than the 788T, and also as a back-up to the 788T. Any of the three work fine for dialogue: usually I go with the MixPre-3 as my needs in that area are simple, so lightness wins out. Longer-term, a second 788T would give me 16 channels for ambitious projects, if needed: that could be borrowed or hired for those occasions if I don’t stumble across a real bargain over the years. If I do pick up a second 788T, doubtless the F8n will go: the weight advantage for high mic-count field recording is rather moot since, inevitably, that involves more mics, stands, cables and windshields (i.e. a whole lot of other gubbins). We all have different recording needs, but, just possibly, some of this may chime with somebody and give them food for thought.

An update (2/5/2025): a second 788T-SSD and a CL-8

It doesn’t really merit a new blog post, but, by way of an update on the previous post, this week I struck lucky on BB List and found a good condition 788T-SSD, dating from 2015 and used as back-up to a sound mixer’s main cart set up. He was retiring, and had the 788T for sale for £800 + VAT here in the UK, with a CL-8 (and various accessories too). It is unusual to find 788Ts in such good condition and priced reasonably in the UK. So it was an even better bargain than my first one, and 24 hrs later it had been delivered (I must say, BB List is an excellent intermediary) and my plan for a second 788T had come to speedy fruition (nice to be spared the hassle of importing/customs too). I was pleasantly surprised that linking the two recorders up for proper sample-accurate (word clock) synced 16 iso channels was quite so easy: just a C-Link cable (one came with my first 788T), and a couple of setting changes in menus (conveniently at the top of the long list of menu items on a 788T) and Bob’s was my uncle. Bought a new compact flash card and a faster 250Gb SSD (Samsung 870 Evo) to swap in as I did for the 788T I bought last year (Sound Devices technical support recommend SSD replacement every 3-5 years dependent upon usage, which is clearly preventative, but seems wise with a new (old) machine). Obviously, it is unlikely that I will use over eight channels for field recording, but for music location recording it will be very handy: only last week, I was caught out slightly with only eight channels when recording a bluegrass band in a pub, which wasn’t the sort of gig for a purist stereo-pair recording session. And it is a lot more viable for me than a £12k Sound Devices Scorpio! Going through the menus today, setting up the new recorder identically to my previous one was a great reminder of just how flexible and configurable the 788T really is: a thoroughly professional bit of kit, which sounds so good too.

Two 788T-SSD recorders running together for 16 channels with sample-accurate linking via C-Link. The lower unit has a CL-8 mixing control surface attached: easy selection of limiters, high-pass filters etc. as well as the large faders for the LR mix.
Turned around and upside down, here’s the rear view, showing the connection to the CL-8 (top) and the simple C-Link cable between the two recorders.
The ALT key on the side of the CL-8 lets you toggle between the three views: main, aux routing, and input settings.
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Something (not so) nasty in the woodshed: fun with figure of eights

January 7, 2021

It has been a drawn-out project, what with Covid-19 lockdowns and restrictions, but currently I’m midway through recording an acoustic album for Norfolk singer-songwriter Luke Chapman. It’s a long way from some of Luke’s other musical pursuits, such as the stoner grunge rock Rolodex of Gods. After an initial session at Oulton Chapel (lovely acoustics), we have since been using the woodstore part of his workshop on the edge of the Barningham Hall estate: by day Luke is a woodcarver.

With a sitting position and songs with a huge dynamic range, Luke’s voice and guitar playing need the mics to give as much separation as possible between the tracks. Early tests included using a ribbon mic on his vocals (a NoHype Audio LRM-V), but I have since been using three Rode NT2a mics, all in figure-of-eight pattern so that the nulls are used to great effect to cut out spill as much as possible: the guitar mics – a stereo pair – are parallel at 300mm spacing, one aimed around the 12th fret and one towards the bridge. The results are sounding good (to our ears): the Rode NT2a is often underrated, but the HF1 capsule (also used in the Rode K2 tube mic) is quite different from the harsher capsule of the Rode NT1a and is a pretty neutral beast. And so quiet (7dBA) that you can hear the rats running around in the roof as we record. The three mics are fed through to the ‘control room’ (the main workshop) to a Sound Devices MixPre-3: simple, but effective.

I’ll post more – with some audio – as the project continues.